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	<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on A Quick Note About Comcast Cable Modems by Gerrit DeWitt</title>
		<link>http://andrew.pilsch.com/blog/2008/08/04/a-quick-note-about-comcast-cable-modems/comment-page-1/#comment-1817</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerrit DeWitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Andrew.  Gerrit here.  :)

Yeah, that’s normal.

The way I see it, most of these “modems” fall into one of two categories:

A. those that can perform layer 3 functions such as routing and NAT
B. those that act as layer 2 bridges

Sounds like you have number B.  :)

DSL devices are usually type A – NAT routers – because the communication to the service provider is usually done via PPPoE.  It’s usually easier for customers to go to http://yeahigotdsl.com and enter a name and password than to configure PPPoE on their router or computer.  These NAT routers can also be told to go into a bridge mode for another router to perform the PPPoE “dial in.”

Cable “modems” are usually type B.  The big clue is if you plug your computer into the modem, you’ll get a public IP address via DHCP.  So, no NAT there.  The DHCP assignment is usually not coming from the “modem” – rather, it just serves as a bridge to the ISP’s network, which is where the DCHP server resides.

In either case, when operating in bridge mode, the only identifiers that the “modem” and device behind it have are the MAC addresses – the Ethernet frames are addressed this way.  That much makes sense.

Now our friend OSI layer 2 has two parts:  the top-part is the logical link control sublayer (LLC), and the bottom part controls MAC addressing.  All of a switch’s or bridge’s real magic lies in the LLC.

A regular Ethernet switch will let you unplug and connect new devices without rebooting it.  And a switch is better than a hub, because a hub is a layer 1 device that sends responses to everyone – e.g. no one-on-one communication between sender and recipient (no unicast).  So “regular” switches are good for unicast, multicast, and broadcast communication at layer 2.  This behavior is an unacknowledged, connectionless mode, which sends data efficiently to one or more recipients, but doesn’t verify that the recipients would get the data.  Verification could be left up to an upper-layer service instead.  This behavior is defined in IEEE 802.2, which is LLC.

Enough about a regular switch.

IEEE 802.2 also defines two other LLC control methods, one of which is an acknowledged, connectionless mode which only supports one-on-one communication.  For the service to be acknowledged, each of the two devices in the “one-on-one chain” need to know about each other.  Since we’re still in layer 2, the only way to know one another is via MAC address.

So that’s why the router “caches” the MAC.

For the curious, LLC can also operate in a connection-oriented mode, where packet order is maintained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Andrew.  Gerrit here.  :)</p>
<p>Yeah, that’s normal.</p>
<p>The way I see it, most of these “modems” fall into one of two categories:</p>
<p>A. those that can perform layer 3 functions such as routing and <span class="caps">NAT</span><br />
B. those that act as layer 2 bridges</p>
<p>Sounds like you have number B.  :)</p>
<p><span class="caps">DSL</span> devices are usually type A – <span class="caps">NAT</span> routers – because the communication to the service provider is usually done via PPPoE.  It’s usually easier for customers to go to <a href="http://yeahigotdsl.com" rel="nofollow">http://yeahigotdsl.com</a> and enter a name and password than to configure PPPoE on their router or computer.  These <span class="caps">NAT</span> routers can also be told to go into a bridge mode for another router to perform the PPPoE “dial in.”</p>
<p>Cable “modems” are usually type B.  The big clue is if you plug your computer into the modem, you’ll get a public IP address via <span class="caps">DHCP</span>.  So, no <span class="caps">NAT</span> there.  The <span class="caps">DHCP</span> assignment is usually not coming from the “modem” – rather, it just serves as a bridge to the ISP’s network, which is where the <span class="caps">DCHP</span> server resides.</p>
<p>In either case, when operating in bridge mode, the only identifiers that the “modem” and device behind it have are the <span class="caps">MAC</span> addresses – the Ethernet frames are addressed this way.  That much makes sense.</p>
<p>Now our friend <span class="caps">OSI</span> layer 2 has two parts:  the top-part is the logical link control sublayer (<span class="caps">LLC</span>), and the bottom part controls <span class="caps">MAC</span> addressing.  All of a switch’s or bridge’s real magic lies in the <span class="caps">LLC</span>.</p>
<p>A regular Ethernet switch will let you unplug and connect new devices without rebooting it.  And a switch is better than a hub, because a hub is a layer 1 device that sends responses to everyone – e.g. no one-on-one communication between sender and recipient (no unicast).  So “regular” switches are good for unicast, multicast, and broadcast communication at layer 2.  This behavior is an unacknowledged, connectionless mode, which sends data efficiently to one or more recipients, but doesn’t verify that the recipients would get the data.  Verification could be left up to an upper-layer service instead.  This behavior is defined in <span class="caps">IEEE</span> 802.2, which is <span class="caps">LLC</span>.</p>
<p>Enough about a regular switch.</p>
<p><span class="caps">IEEE</span> 802.2 also defines two other <span class="caps">LLC</span> control methods, one of which is an acknowledged, connectionless mode which only supports one-on-one communication.  For the service to be acknowledged, each of the two devices in the “one-on-one chain” need to know about each other.  Since we’re still in layer 2, the only way to know one another is via <span class="caps">MAC</span> address.</p>
<p>So that’s why the router “caches” the <span class="caps">MAC</span>.</p>
<p>For the curious, <span class="caps">LLC</span> can also operate in a connection-oriented mode, where packet order is maintained.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Peer-to-Peer Surveillance State? by Andrew Pilsch</title>
		<link>http://andrew.pilsch.com/blog/2008/07/28/a-peer-to-peer-surveillance-state/comment-page-1/#comment-1401</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Pilsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rasheen: I suppose that's true, but I wonder if it's really only just a lack of awareness.  A professor I work with likes to refer to these sorts of things as "chain yanks," suggesting that moments like the State College Police following me on Twitter as not something threatening, but something that gets my attention and seems worrying at first (on an instinctual / gut level).

@Mike I like the idea of calling it "reflexive."  All my students can relate to the fact that I find, more and more, at social events my friends and I will stop what we are doing to "take pictures for Facebook," which seems to oddly invert the whole point of social media: as a complement to real life not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rasheen: I suppose that&#8217;s true, but I wonder if it&#8217;s really only just a lack of awareness.  A professor I work with likes to refer to these sorts of things as &#8220;chain yanks,&#8221; suggesting that moments like the State College Police following me on Twitter as not something threatening, but something that gets my attention and seems worrying at first (on an instinctual / gut level).</p>
<p>@Mike I like the idea of calling it &#8220;reflexive.&#8221;  All my students can relate to the fact that I find, more and more, at social events my friends and I will stop what we are doing to &#8220;take pictures for Facebook,&#8221; which seems to oddly invert the whole point of social media: as a complement to real life not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Peer-to-Peer Surveillance State? by Mike</title>
		<link>http://andrew.pilsch.com/blog/2008/07/28/a-peer-to-peer-surveillance-state/comment-page-1/#comment-1399</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comment about 18 year old students playing fast and loose with their privacy on Facebook struck a chord with me. I work in a school at the moment and I'm continually stunned by the things they're willing to photograph or film on their phones for later upload to Bebo, YouTube et al. Fights are always filmed, and most fight videos start with the participants making sure they're being recorded before they begin. Girls post provocative photos of themselves on their profile pages, and then are shocked to find them printed out and handed out around school the following day. I wonder if the recording and sharing of their lives digitally is so commonplace to the current generation of high school students (and maybe your students) that it becomes almost reflexive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comment about 18 year old students playing fast and loose with their privacy on Facebook struck a chord with me. I work in a school at the moment and I&#8217;m continually stunned by the things they&#8217;re willing to photograph or film on their phones for later upload to Bebo, YouTube et al. Fights are always filmed, and most fight videos start with the participants making sure they&#8217;re being recorded before they begin. Girls post provocative photos of themselves on their profile pages, and then are shocked to find them printed out and handed out around school the following day. I wonder if the recording and sharing of their lives digitally is so commonplace to the current generation of high school students (and maybe your students) that it becomes almost reflexive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Peer-to-Peer Surveillance State? by Rahsheen</title>
		<link>http://andrew.pilsch.com/blog/2008/07/28/a-peer-to-peer-surveillance-state/comment-page-1/#comment-1395</link>
		<dc:creator>Rahsheen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all honesty, I really don't understand this situation. I have actually run into a few situations where people I know put stuff online and when I mentioned it, they acted shocked and took it down.

I think it's a mixture of 

A) people not understanding how public their information is and 

B) people caring more about internet celebrity than the consequences of putting certain things online</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all honesty, I really don&#8217;t understand this situation. I have actually run into a few situations where people I know put stuff online and when I mentioned it, they acted shocked and took it down.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a mixture of </p>
<p>A) people not understanding how public their information is and </p>
<p>B) people caring more about internet celebrity than the consequences of putting certain things online</p>
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		<title>Comment on Oh well &#8230; by Andrew Pilsch</title>
		<link>http://andrew.pilsch.com/blog/2008/07/16/oh-well/comment-page-1/#comment-1261</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Pilsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I know what you mean.  I was excited about being a techno-Jesuit.

Also, why is reddit so awesome?  It's basically digg, right?  But I find I use it much more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I know what you mean.  I was excited about being a techno-Jesuit.</p>
<p>Also, why is reddit so awesome?  It&#8217;s basically digg, right?  But I find I use it much more often.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;The Truth Is Complicated&#8221; by shawna</title>
		<link>http://andrew.pilsch.com/blog/2008/07/01/the-truth-is-complicated/comment-page-1/#comment-1246</link>
		<dc:creator>shawna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check out sorel on the myth in "reflections on violence:" it's a story that organizes and deploys human force in spite of any lack of veracity behind the story itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check out sorel on the myth in &#8220;reflections on violence:&#8221; it&#8217;s a story that organizes and deploys human force in spite of any lack of veracity behind the story itself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Oh well &#8230; by devin</title>
		<link>http://andrew.pilsch.com/blog/2008/07/16/oh-well/comment-page-1/#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator>devin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, i guess i can put my thoughts to rest now. And here i was hoping to hop from settlement to settlement, bringing useful technology like reddit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, i guess i can put my thoughts to rest now. And here i was hoping to hop from settlement to settlement, bringing useful technology like reddit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time (Is On My Side) by Adam</title>
		<link>http://andrew.pilsch.com/blog/2007/01/30/time-is-on-my-side/comment-page-1/#comment-534</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just moved my mail to gmail domains.  Plus forwarding most it to a single address.  Its awesome.  I'd use the calendar too, but I have nothing to organize :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just moved my mail to gmail domains.  Plus forwarding most it to a single address.  Its awesome.  I&#8217;d use the calendar too, but I have nothing to organize :(</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Problem With Socialists by shawna</title>
		<link>http://andrew.pilsch.com/blog/2007/01/22/the-problem-with-socialists/comment-page-1/#comment-530</link>
		<dc:creator>shawna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's kind of ironic that the very same field of inquiry that claims to erase the boundary between high and low culture -- is precisely the one that criticizes pop culture the most pessimistically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kind of ironic that the very same field of inquiry that claims to erase the boundary between high and low culture &#8212; is precisely the one that criticizes pop culture the most pessimistically.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flotation by andrew</title>
		<link>http://andrew.pilsch.com/blog/2007/01/12/flotation/comment-page-1/#comment-528</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it's part of Rich's research with some guys in the anthro dept.  It's the REST lab.  There will be a study soon, so I can send you the email when it comes time to sign up, if you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s part of Rich&#8217;s research with some guys in the anthro dept.  It&#8217;s the <span class="caps">REST</span> lab.  There will be a study soon, so I can send you the email when it comes time to sign up, if you want.</p>
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